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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Meta Brown</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meta Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would not hesitate to discuss this with clients, although if they were complete novices to testing it would not be a high priority topic. My take is simple - testing gives you the best information available at any given moment. 

Internetland is changing often. Those who are very serious about testing use it often, much more than every year. Some would consider a day to be a long time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not hesitate to discuss this with clients, although if they were complete novices to testing it would not be a high priority topic. My take is simple &#8211; testing gives you the best information available at any given moment. </p>
<p>Internetland is changing often. Those who are very serious about testing use it often, much more than every year. Some would consider a day to be a long time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Ophir Prusak</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophir Prusak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points Rich!

I agree that pro-actively raising the point isn&#039;t the best idea, but on the other hand I have personally been asked by clients why isn&#039;t the lift from the test we did 3 months ago (and implemented the winner) showing up in their bottom line?

It&#039;s not about doing something about it so much as being aware of the phenomenon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Rich!</p>
<p>I agree that pro-actively raising the point isn&#8217;t the best idea, but on the other hand I have personally been asked by clients why isn&#8217;t the lift from the test we did 3 months ago (and implemented the winner) showing up in their bottom line?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about doing something about it so much as being aware of the phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Rich Page</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich Page]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting point. But what can you really do about it to stop it from happenging though? If this were me, I would probably not even raise this with my business or clients, because it may de-rail attempts to actually do more testing in the future... And don&#039;t forget, website traffic sources and quality changes over time, as does the rest of the website, so naturally the results won&#039;t stay elevated for much more than 6 months. I suggest you do follow up tests a year later to see how you can improve your initial result further (test iteration).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point. But what can you really do about it to stop it from happenging though? If this were me, I would probably not even raise this with my business or clients, because it may de-rail attempts to actually do more testing in the future&#8230; And don&#8217;t forget, website traffic sources and quality changes over time, as does the rest of the website, so naturally the results won&#8217;t stay elevated for much more than 6 months. I suggest you do follow up tests a year later to see how you can improve your initial result further (test iteration).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue &#8211; Why it Happens by Salvatore</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/17/test-fatigue-why-it-happens/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Salvatore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ophir

The fourth reason is that the underlying mechanisms that are responsible for the observed change are complex (as they are in the case of a website with multiple page elements, people from different backgrounds with different intentions, genders, preferences, expectations, motivations and so different levels of susceptibility to the marketing messages who visit the website. Disambiguating these confounders is usually impossible in this sphere - as the information is not always available. We often do not know the gender or age of the visitors who did not convert, and people can use the same keyword phrase with very different intent (and as we do not have visibility to their prior searches, we cannot glean this from the data we have). Often it is not feasible to run a test long enough to gather sufficient data to slice and dice the demographics finely enough to spot the real gems. Such is life - we must always operate with incomplete information. On the other hand, we are incredibly lucky to have the wealth of data we can get our hands on, so quickly and relatively cheaply. Before the internet, this would have been an incredibly expensive exercise both financially and temporally.

Regards,

Salvatore]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ophir</p>
<p>The fourth reason is that the underlying mechanisms that are responsible for the observed change are complex (as they are in the case of a website with multiple page elements, people from different backgrounds with different intentions, genders, preferences, expectations, motivations and so different levels of susceptibility to the marketing messages who visit the website. Disambiguating these confounders is usually impossible in this sphere &#8211; as the information is not always available. We often do not know the gender or age of the visitors who did not convert, and people can use the same keyword phrase with very different intent (and as we do not have visibility to their prior searches, we cannot glean this from the data we have). Often it is not feasible to run a test long enough to gather sufficient data to slice and dice the demographics finely enough to spot the real gems. Such is life &#8211; we must always operate with incomplete information. On the other hand, we are incredibly lucky to have the wealth of data we can get our hands on, so quickly and relatively cheaply. Before the internet, this would have been an incredibly expensive exercise both financially and temporally.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Salvatore</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Salvatore</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Salvatore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ophir

Interesting observation. This is a common problem with (using and interpreting) statistics - and applies to every science where an underlying mechanism cannot be demonstrated by controlled experiments. Unless the changes to the winning page are due to better psychology (so they apply to the vast majority of normal humans - if such a beast exists - for example: providing a story that demonstrates product benefits that pander to the underlying human need for acceptance will win over a list of features, and will probably win forever, by a significant margin), then there is a a possibility that the raise is not due to anything more than a passing fashion preference (and this is why so many web pages are so easy to optimise - they look old fashioned, so changing them to look more modern fits with what people expect to see, so they are more likely to buy). Sorry for the parenthesis and convoluted sentence - too much caffeine and not enough time for edits! ;-)

Regards,
Salvatore]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ophir</p>
<p>Interesting observation. This is a common problem with (using and interpreting) statistics &#8211; and applies to every science where an underlying mechanism cannot be demonstrated by controlled experiments. Unless the changes to the winning page are due to better psychology (so they apply to the vast majority of normal humans &#8211; if such a beast exists &#8211; for example: providing a story that demonstrates product benefits that pander to the underlying human need for acceptance will win over a list of features, and will probably win forever, by a significant margin), then there is a a possibility that the raise is not due to anything more than a passing fashion preference (and this is why so many web pages are so easy to optimise &#8211; they look old fashioned, so changing them to look more modern fits with what people expect to see, so they are more likely to buy). Sorry for the parenthesis and convoluted sentence &#8211; too much caffeine and not enough time for edits! ;-)</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Salvatore</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Gefahren bei der Interpretation von A/B-Tests &#8212; Online Marketing optimieren</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gefahren bei der Interpretation von A/B-Tests &#8212; Online Marketing optimieren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Doktor&#8221; Gabriel Beck aufgenommen. Los getreten wurde das Ganze aufgrund eines englischsprachigen Artikels von Analytics Impact welcher folgende Beobachtungen [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doktor&#8221; Gabriel Beck aufgenommen. Los getreten wurde das Ganze aufgrund eines englischsprachigen Artikels von Analytics Impact welcher folgende Beobachtungen [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Get more than 5 custom variables in Google Analytics by Gregory Cox</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2010/05/24/get-more-than-5-custom-variables-in-google-analytics/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My GOD thank you for this. It&#039;s something that we have been having difficulties overcoming for a while, and seems like an elegant solution to the 5 custom variable limit. We&#039;ll try it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My GOD thank you for this. It&#8217;s something that we have been having difficulties overcoming for a while, and seems like an elegant solution to the 5 custom variable limit. We&#8217;ll try it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Test Fatigue &#8211; Why it Happens &#124; Analytics Impact</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Test Fatigue &#8211; Why it Happens &#124; Analytics Impact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of all super thanks to all of the great comments on my previous post about Test Fatigue. If you didn&#8217;t read my previous post or you don&#8217;t know what I mean by Test Fatigue, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of all super thanks to all of the great comments on my previous post about Test Fatigue. If you didn&#8217;t read my previous post or you don&#8217;t know what I mean by Test Fatigue, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by AP</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meta, you make some good points.  

With all tests, you need to ensure there is no channel bias as for example if PPC (paid traffic) is driving the conversion, if/when this activity is switched off this will obviously alter the Conversion %.  Always look at channel split for all tests.

@Ophir, look forward to seeing some output in part 2.  

I think this is an area where optimisers need collaboration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meta, you make some good points.  </p>
<p>With all tests, you need to ensure there is no channel bias as for example if PPC (paid traffic) is driving the conversion, if/when this activity is switched off this will obviously alter the Conversion %.  Always look at channel split for all tests.</p>
<p>@Ophir, look forward to seeing some output in part 2.  </p>
<p>I think this is an area where optimisers need collaboration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test Fatigue – Conversion Optimization’s Dirty Little Secret by Ophir Prusak</title>
		<link>http://analyticsimpact.com/2012/01/09/test-fatigue-conversion-optimizations-dirty-little-secret/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophir Prusak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Meta,

Great comments and I agree that while we often think we have a big enough sample rate, we really don&#039;t.

I&#039;ll be incorporating some of your comments in part two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Meta,</p>
<p>Great comments and I agree that while we often think we have a big enough sample rate, we really don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be incorporating some of your comments in part two.</p>
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